EP 74 - The golf LEGEND who's been to over 120 majors! (FULL PODCAST)

David thank you for joining us today.

Pleasure honestly i'm unbelievably excited about this chat uh thank you. So much for bringing a couple of books for us to look through the new book sevi it just is incredible. And we'll definitely come on to that um i feel like i'm not sure quite where to start i almost want to rewind back time because we did a little bit of an intro before. And i'm fascinated about this idea that you had all the ambitions of being a player back in the day yeah very much. So talk us through all that how did that all kind of start it started i mean i was um lucky enough. Or whichever way you look at it to be sent away to school okay. For an eight-year-old prep school boarding school from 1963. so um i was at boarding school i played cricket loved cricket right yeah a first 11 cricket opening bat loved it. But then.

I went to my public school which was since edwards in oxford. And um they had a nine hole golf course okay very nice yeah um you've not played golf before though well i play i played with my dad i mean my dad was a golfer. And we lived in ascot and we played at sunnydale ladies as it was there sunnydale heath now. And i hit a few shots but you know and round the garden i broke a few windows and that sort of stuff but the cricket was all i wanted to play was your dad good at golf was he a pro no no no he was just very average yeah. But loved it yeah my mom was the better player. But she didn't really play that much because she was looking after two kids. And of course things were in those days the dad took precedent. And you know he went and played golf on saturday morning and she looked after us and then.

We met him in the clubhouse at lunchtime and back in the day was it was it such a golf course where it was almost frowned upon as being a junior member back there yeah i mean i never even contemplated being a junior member at that stage just wasn't a thing no. And um there weren't that many obviously weren't that many junior members and i guess um we moved to leicester in 1964. so that was a big change to move away from ascot to leicester. And um i didn't play golf there all i did was play cricket in the garden. And i had the odd chip and then.

We went on holiday to scotland lovely you know then.

And up that area of scotland west of scotland and my dad played ned nan dunbar okay. And i had a few odd clubs that he'd given me yeah. And uh we played 18 holes and my first 18 holes was on net. And dunbar oh wow nice yeah lovely course. And um i remember very vividly my dad he loved his after game of golf drink okay. And um he thought i'm going to keep him quiet. And he booked me a lesson with um i can't remember remember the chaps name macintosh or mcgregor or something but a fierce scottish professional and he had a junior oh scottish clubs were great with juniors he had a junior clinic. And rematch you're about 11 at this time yeah yeah no 11 11. Or 12. not really picked up a club at that stage and um he put me in for this group session and boy the boy from england with a posh voice i got i got roughed up roughed up by the scots but i did all right because i could hit the ball. And go you know and the guy was he very effusive afterwards. And he says yeah laddie he needs to keep playing you know. So it's kind of so so the seeds of playing some golf and then.

Um do you think your cricket helped with that eye. For a ball yes obviously that's it because the ball was still now yeah where the ball in cricket's obviously moving yeah yeah. And um i just wanted to hit it hard yeah as you do. And then.

Then.

I set off to public school at age 14 or 13 14 whatever it was. And this golf course and there was a boy in my house who had um some clubs. And sunday morning was a you know there was no sport on sunday sunday was the sabbath well not the sabbath. But you know they have rest yeah we didn't do much on a sunday nothing organized. So off we went down to the course and i fell in love with it really yeah. So it's just you and you're in this little lad yeah boarding school yeah not just a little nine-hole golf course did you see nine are very very rough was it very rough. But some really tricky little holes on it and you know didn't have that many balls but by that time my dad had given me a few more clubs and i had a mixed up set of i don't know what they were. But and this is the 60s yeah 69.. So it was like persimmon woods no those laminated woods wasn't as good as persimmon. But it was wood wood. But not the persimmon and then.

Bladed irons that you know that weren't very forgiving cut down or no because i was quite tall you know by the time i grew in there i was definitely six foot when i went to school almost six foot when i went oh wow public school here. So um yeah we had great. And you just bashed it around there i still played qriket but by the time i got to 16 and i was playing colts cricket. And the odd game for the first at that stage um i'd suddenly you know i'd be dad maybe a member at scraptoft golf club in leicestershire right and um yeah i came home that summer. And um i got handicapped and so it's around the age of 16 you can actually join a golf club well i do i could have joined before easily. But you know that was when i just decided that's what i wanted to do yeah. And um i think next.

Summer i won the leicestershire boys championship. So i could sort of basically came from wow yeah that's a quick turnaround yeah i went from a 24 handicapper to a six handicapper that summer wow. And you know i was hooked absolutely hooked that's amazing i'm gonna just can i'm gonna move you mike just round slightly sorry one second [Music] yeah cool i just want to hear everything you're saying that's always. So and so by that then.

The good thing about it was that my my study at boarding school you know boys boarding school naked wing where they weren't allowed naked women. But pretty women at that stage and um long-haired pop stars yeah you know jethro charles. And the people of this world mine was plastered with golfers. Or leicester city footballers was it really yeah. So you know i was a real weirdo my exclamation mark. So back in then.

Then.

Who was who was the poster boy in your golf tony jacqueline tony yeah i remember um listening on a very crackly radio with a one single year piece we had in those days yeah under my pillow totally against the rules of news of him winning the us open in 1970 wow at hazeltine yeah. So he was my absolute hero. And at this point was your you obviously becoming a good player was your aspiration to go on. And be a golfer do you think that was achievable yeah you know i loved i wanted to because i was down to scratch by the time i left really quick yeah yeah it's like one of those things i think if you're a natural player. And you really get at it yeah you can do. And you put a lot of time in on the sundays with your pal and then.

You've joined joined the golf club in leicester yes i came home. And literally got my dad to drop me at the golf course in the morning i'd moved to the leicestershire golf club by then.

Yeah. And he was on the way to work. For him so he dropped me off in the morning picked me up oh yeah i'd even you know in the high summer come. And get me yeah all day long it sounds like every junior golfer's life weren't they i was the same guy yeah yeah it's amazing the best yeah the best of the best what what a sport it is. For youngsters yourself for parents as well because you know they're safe yeah it's free child care isn't it yeah it's brilliant. And they learn so many life skills yeah great manners learn how to behave properly that's. So important financial um how much you can spend on your chips. And how much you can spend on the practice sheets yeah how much you can play. For and yeah have the right amount of money in your pocket how much you can afford to lose yeah exactly. So from 16 and then.

Kind of looking at turning professional at some years after that yeah it was a bit of a pipe dream i suppose because um i didn't finish my public school meant to go to university i said to my mum when i came out like i want a year off i don't want to go to university i'm you know i've been away in boarding school since eight years old i'm seven. Or eight years old and i'm going to be here at home. And that summer i um so i went and played well i took i got a job that winter my dad got me a job with a friend of his in a steel rock crushing building rock crushers in leicester i bet that was labour i was outdoor labor yeah literally i was the boy who went on in the parts area fetching all the pieces. For these enormous rock crushers on the back of a beaten-up flatbed comma lorry and i you know no driving license at that stage either driving these things with these parts. And so that i earned some money and went off to spain early season in may in march rather to do some warm-up. And then.

Come and play the amateur circuit that summer wow and you worked through the winter yeah to fund your goal through the summer summer yeah. And mom and dad obviously helped of course but um yeah. And um came back and i think that may i played in the brabazon. And finished 15th at moore town nice a good start yeah yeah you know. And i finished eighth in the british use that year and i beat sandy lyle which i'm still proud i played of a bit of golf with sandy as a junior actually because he's midlands based on on the english golf union coaching schemes mark james and sandy have they got their back they've got their uh i'm guessing you know these guys now have you moved into your career i'm sure they've you're not going to let them forget that you're beating one time at a junior probably trying to think if i ever beat them well i beat sandy i was seeing the british use. But that was it i'm sure many years after that they've pushed it into you. And said well actually we've carried on quite a lot more i suppose the thing that really decided me that i perhaps wasn't the golfer that i wanted to be was um playing with faldo. Or behind faldo at the british use panel okay yeah. And i don't know where you played panel i've not played panel it's got from memory it's got a short par four downhill last hole and uh it's a for me it was a five iron all the time off the tee don't even mess with it out of bounds left. And stuff like that so you put a five iron down the hill and then.

Chip and put it yeah i play it's a far four yeah he's a driver all four days oh my god won the thing by about i don't know how many shots he won by. So what what year was this i think it was 75.. So faldo was just dominating at that time yeah he didn't really dominate because he wasn't there long enough because he turned pro straight away didn't he. So yeah after america yeah. So um he went to the the college the three of them went off to college there was martin pox. And sandy lyle and nick faldo all went to the same college i think i think sandy lyle didn't last a month really yeah. And um faldo i don't know how long he lost i can't remember martin stayed there so yeah. So so then.

From that point then.

Was that when you realized hold on i'm not sure if i'm gonna be good enough yeah i knew i was good. But you know i didn't hadn't managed to win the county championship and i just wasn't quite achieving yeah. And by that stage i'd gotta my dad had introduced me to another a friend of his has amazing dads you know they introduced people and um he got me a job with a nylon sheet company in leicester yeah um i was working in the warehouse there packing nylon sheets a lot more civilized than than the rock rock crushing out in the filthy weather. And was this the winter again the winter game it was meant to be a winter yeah. But um they were. So good to me and i've gone so well with them they said well if you want to come in the summer three. Or four days whenever you want you can earn some more money. So it was amazing it was like i'd phone up. And said can i come in this week yeah. And uh yeah. So it was amazing gave you a lot of flexibility yeah you still did in t golf then.

Yeah. And then.

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I impressed the sales manager by finding a load of stuff for him to you know because he's got an order and he couldn't find them and i found these sheets in the warehouse for him and he said have you ever thought about doing some selling. And i said no no no i yeah absolutely no yeah that wasn't your plan well our um our northern sales rep is leaving i said do you fancy spending a month with him right while he's working his notes of course because i think he said because i think you could do it wow yeah. So um i went off on this guy jerry hanley and um he was a rugby league player was he really there yeah he's a big fella not yeah i don't know i can't remember what position he played in. But i spent this you know month with him on and off and uh yeah we had a great time because he um very quickly said to me he said this is quite an easy job i said it's not easy to sell nylon sheets yeah. But they don't want to see you you're on you meant to have a rotation of visits to the clients yeah about every four weeks you're supposed to see these people in this on our circuit. And he said you'll learn very quickly they don't always want to see you great. So he said just get a load of tempes a bag of 10ps drive to the motorway service station on a monday morning phone them all. And see if they want you to come no. And and he said he said the key to it is picking um if you've got a bargain. For them yeah that you let them know. And you always make them think you're looking after them of course. So nice customer service yeah it worked perfectly to be honest yeah never did you move into that job did yeah i took that job i got a company car you know. And i could go and play golf as well with it so that was absolutely. So you were playing golf when you should be at the clients really yeah that's the dream every now. And again i owned up to playing in a tournament because it was an important one oh my god i was actually with tournaments it wasn't just going doing nine hours it wasn't playing the british ammo. Or whatever well no one could get you on mobile back then.

No yeah because i was the sales were coming in quite happily. And i'd also i'd met a brilliant guy um morrisons it's a guy or bill carter right was his name he didn't actually morrison's a superstar supermarket yeah we hadn't had a deal with them. And um he's a golfer he has been a captain of ilkley i think i don't know i hope he's still alive. But he was a fantastic help to me because. And we got chatting and he liked me because i was a golfer. And we got on well and i got the first order for morrisons for nylon sheets and it was a big order wow you know. And in those days not as big as it would have been of course nowadays but um it was an introduction. And um so i was absolutely you know blue-eyed boy yeah exactly you were in the in the cupboard bringing in someone like that this sounds like you've been giving you fell into a job you've got a company car you can play golf whenever you want you've got no boss that can want to have a zoom call. Or facetime but i got bored and board of golf or board of the job okay yeah you know golf wasn't going as well as i wanted it to go i got the dreaded quick hooks. And i'll tell you what there's the equivalent of the shank yeah if you're a good player if you're a tournament player you can't you can't miss big left no. So yeah are you either missing big left. Or huge right of course you are. And it was a nightmare yeah you know i can remember to this day. And sitting here and i'm thinking of the first tee at willislee park golf club it's a narrow funnel of trees yeah i think that t there's no way i'm going to get this ball down there you're taking the pitch in my jacket in the tree on the left. Or absolutely right this is. And i think every time i look at ian baker finch i think oh my god you know that that t-shirt hits. And andrew yeah he had the same thing the gifts with the driver. And it's like it's an amazingly debilitating destroying a lot of good players have had it haven't they yeah yeah. So i was always a good putter yeah you know my short game was red hot in those days. So that's where i can't relate yeah. So so in 1975 did you play about if i've jumped ahead here. Or not but you played with sevi no it's 1976 1976.. So in um may 1976 the leicestershire golf club hosted a european tour pro-am because you know tournaments would finish on saturdays in those days okay. So it finished the tournament finish whatever it was being played was it uh i think it's finn. And park in coventry still four days though yeah four days we'll start on wednesday finish on saturday okay again sunday was supposed to go down yeah. So um then.

At that stage the european tour tried to put on pro-ams close by to where the tournament was being held yeah on a sunday. And um leicestershire golf club was hosting this. And they very kindly gave um one spot to a good player an invitation there can you remember what you're playing off at this point handicap-wise of scratch did plos handicap was it around i can't remember. But i i'm pretty sure there were less than 100 plus handicappers in those days right i mean it was amazing to get to a plus andy of course you do hear that a lot that like without being disrespectful scratch back in those days was different to scratch now goodness absolutely a hundred percent no doubt in my mind. So what would you have said scratch back in the day was like a plus three handicap yeah two plus two plus three i would think. And uh you know anybody who got into places they're the peter mcavoys you know the nick felder yeah who were plus two plus maybe plus three i think yeah possibly they were the guys who were shooting 65s all the time yeah yeah. So you team up you're playing in this yeah do you know who you're playing with at this point i've got drawn with sevi via steros can you believe it oh my goodness i know it's. So i mean if you've ever got a life that is done by you know scripts it's meant to happen isn't it yeah. So i got this guy came on the t you know hello was possible. And i barely spoke a word of english at this point again this is before mining guy's time how famous is he at that point in time. So i think he's had a i had a look obviously i looked him up when i knew i was drawn to how he can't google him you you had the european tour um the magazines you could get back in the magazines. And i think i had a john player yearbook. Or something you could look up the results of the tournament yeah yeah see i think he finished in the top 10 in a european tour event the year before. So he had a little bit of did you know him as the the next.

Up-and-coming don't think anybody did no at that stage was it was it like did you around that time did you have people who were coming up like nick faldo who was pipped as the next.

Superstar. Or as as kind of the new world created that buzz around great players coming through you know media in those days you know you might got the the daily telegraph covered amateur golf like amazingly yeah. So that was you know you might have had a little spot about you know michael williams might have written something about the next.

Up. And coming yeah player faldo was obviously amazingly he burst onto the scene. And was instantly amazing yeah um nick uh sandy lyle has been amazing from a 14 year old of course. So mark james had been winning everything in the midlands yeah as an amateur. And do you think someone like sevi coming from spain there wasn't that buzz around that like if he was maybe in living in england he would have been a huge buzz i think. For us then.

But back in the day because he was over in spain he didn't really know a lot about it. And golf in spain was very much the rich people's game yeah you know it wasn't i mean he had a hard enough time getting to play in the first place anyway yeah of course. And um i think i just knew if you just sway someone hits a golf ball. And i i was longish i was not very straight yeah never very straight off the tee. But neither was seve to be to be fair was it was it his strength that day i putted him off the course is all i can say yeah. But everything else he dominated yeah off the team was amazing 40 yards past me really yeah. And the the sound of the strike was you know you know you're obviously good players you know when you just close your eyes beside someone faldo when you close your eyes beside him amazing yes same with ballisteros. And sandy were all incredible well i had one story with that i was up at uh royal um i was up at trump international a couple of years ago yeah. And it was the same week as the scottish open i was on the driving range hitting balls. And someone behind me was hitting i'm like god that sounds good like that sounds they do that sounds really good i turn around it's phil mickelson. And you just the sound was just different you have like elite player then.

You have tall player which is obviously pure then.

You have that like that handful don't you again your rory's your phil mickelson's yourself he's in the day yeah. And it's just different again you can't put your finger on what it is it's just hit just sounded. So good so you're out there playing with him yeah he he scores better than you i guess well we're about the same i think we didn't do very well as a team i remember that i think i shot learn about level. Or something but only because i've putted him off the course you know but pro-ams they're not really that interested it's a sunday yeah he's you know he's just playing the tournament yeah he's kind of doing it. For a sponsored piece or whatever it is. And um i mean. So what did you take away from that round though just strike to purely. And charisma yeah you know there was charisma already there was charisma really yeah good with you very nice to me yeah. And even though he couldn't speak loads of english but it was just fun you know. And it was like the round went far too quickly as far as i was concerned of course. But then.

Obviously it's that sticks in your mind doesn't it and then.

Two months later royal berkdale yeah. And you know he's leading the open with two with one round to play by two shots and it's like what i was playing with him yeah i played with him two months two months ago yeah. And i remember putting him off the golf course i remember i was playing in a in a competition at home club that that weekend. And um uh it was a 36 holer on the saturday. And um i went i remember coming at lunchtime what's happening it hadn't even teed off you know so i get in at the end of the day and he's and you've already played 36. i'm playing 36 and he's still on the course all right okay sorry he's not. Yet yeah yeah. And um i hear he's about five shots off and i'm thinking oh god you know but it was kind of predictable i suppose because he had been all over the golf course yeah. For three days and still scrambled and saved himself but then.

He finishes eagle birdie to finish second oh my goodness who won that year uh johnny miller okay yeah yeah. And johnny miller shot 65 i think in the final round wow. So brilliant and he was playing with sevy yeah yeah you know two very different games i guess oh yeah yeah it was the month later he won his first event on the european tour by eight yeah open yeah yeah. And that was one of the fun things about this book was that i actually found some pictures from the dutch open which i've never seen before you know a friend in holland put me onto an archive. And amazing yeah we dug up some pictures of him playing. So did you feel at the time you know he's a bit of an unknown you've played golf with him in a pro-am. And obviously he's then.

Leading the open two months later he goes and wins the dutch open or whatever by eight shots did you almost feel like an attachment to him because it was almost like absolutely like you're rooting. For him i've root for him from that very very day that i've played with here at leicester golf club he's like i've experienced it a couple of times where i've spent time with players who are in their infancy. And they're learning the trade and go on to do great things. And play on european talk i'm always following him on social media and stuff now i'm like i hope he's doing well and obviously you had that similar without the social media back in the 70s where you're like is my boy yeah i played with it yeah totally always will be as well well you've you've mentioned that he is your idol of idols yeah sporting hero yeah um. But he's um yeah it was he's electric in every sense. So i feel like we've covered so much so far and we've not talked about one click of a camera we've set the scene nicely haven't we i knew this was gonna be a long one. But it's gonna be a good one so how how did david cannon the world renowned number one golf photographer how did that begin where did this all come from well yeah okay back to my study in school yeah sports pictures all over the wall yeah tony jacklyn tony jacqueline leicester city football team who's the players back then.

Well we have we had mike stringfellow. And uh lenny glover david how can you ask that rick. So there's no way that you're gonna know leicester plays in the 1960s the only one i know is probably gary vardy yeah yeah we had a decent team yeah yeah keith weller was a load of them. So then.

You would and you had these posters up and you you admired the photography you liked the pictures like pictures yeah yeah i had an interesting camera as yourself no not really i had a godmother who'd given me a kodak instamatic in a box set which i was very proud of really yeah. And um i'm guessing that's pretty big no tiny all right yeah kodak instamatic is like yours hold it like a like a wind up yeah it's like a wind up you know those cameras do you remember the cassettes of film you used to get you probably don't remember that i do remember them roughly i think i've still got that camera. So i'm all right yeah. And uh i remember on family holiday lying this uh we went north west of scotland for the second week after we're done then.

And um they had a salmon river yeah up in lochimba. And it's a beautiful walk up this thing and at certain times of the year the salmon swimming up stream yeah. And a leaping and i remember lying while we're having a picnic i'm lying there with this camera up to my eye waiting to try and catch a salmon in leap wow did you do it i've got one. But it's a big blur because it's you know the kodak is dramatic the quality of it yeah it wasn't good. But it's right up out of the water wow so i suppose that's one sort of sign of things to come yeah. But then.

Again my father you've got to put it down to that so he introduced he was in advertising in leicester. And um leicester publicity club was a big thing of his. And um i went to a dinner with him with my mum and uh he introduced me to a guy called neville chadwick and neville um became my sort of godfather yeah photography basically wow. And uh he um i got chatting to him and he said i'd we do all the leicester city. And leicester tigers brilliance he realized photography and uh you know sort of like little touch paper yeah. And um i remember him saying to him he said to me well if you want to come down. For a game and you know you can sit with my cameras in those days it was like that you you know people had were able to take a friend to sit inside them yeah well now you'd need health. And safety yeah photo messenger is the only way you do that nowadays. And then.

They've got to run the disk back to the people who are editing. For you but um yeah. So you say and i remember i had because of my company car i had my own little mini that i was sat on the drive yeah just gathering dust full of 10 p's inside it no this is the minute you know after the company car was a ford cortina. Or whatever we got given in those days i went through um ford cortina granada's all those sort of spanky cars and um but your run around was a little minute that's what i had when i'd been playing golf you're a big guy yeah it's all knees either side the steering wheel. But this little thing got me all around the country wow yeah wry282j you can still remember the lights yeah that's crazy. And anyway i decided to sell her right to buy a camera to buy a camera so yeah you know this is. And um i did that. And i went went to jessups in leicester i was lucky because uh jessups of leicester with major huge camera store yeah well still around now aren't you jessica. And alan jessup was a member of the leicestershire golf club no way yeah he said come down the guy owens jessups yeah he was a member at the time he thought about your life being scripted this does sound very scripted he said come down to the shop. And um we'll look after you look at what cameras you might be choosing being canon of course surname of course spells slightly differently yeah is it just one n one end yeah is the mate is the camera. And there's a canon ae one was just come out which was basically the start of major semi-electronic cameras from being totally um i didn't even call them manual. But they didn't basically cameras didn't have batteries up to that stage other than the windows wow so um this is the first electronic built-in meter. And what year was this 78 okay. So um i bought one of these ae ones and a small telephoto lens as well to go with it that must be expensive it was very expensive the price of a mini yes price of a mini basically best thing i ever did in my life you didn't have were you still working at the nylon place yeah. So you start the company car you're still selling my nylon sheets and instead of going to play golf now i used to do because i'll accelerate a little bit because anyway i started neville said come down first thing i went to with him was um east midlands were playing the all blacks okay the all blacks were touring. And i still don't remember whether it was 77. Or 78 but one of those winters and um at wilford road so like a east midlands was a was a it was touring touring matches you know when the touring side came over they'd play the internationals at weekends. And the second team would play clubs or readers like a training exercise as much as anything and i think it would no it was part of the tour you know it was the way they are it's like a lions tour right you know the lions tour they have the test matches. And then.

They play the provinces okay yeah. But i'm not massive midweek yeah. But they play midweek they play the provinces for the speed guys who aren't getting the matches with the first team okay. So this was kind of what it was it was the all blacks b team still pretty big yeah because i remember i sat in the corner. And neville said to me he said right david you sit in the corner look after my cameras. And i got my camera he said yeah there's a couple of rolls of film. And he said he said um two things fill the frame. And focus on the eyes and that was it that was it yeah the rest is history. And i sat there and you know there was one moment in the game where les cosworth was the scrum half. For the east midlands team and he's trying to hook up all out the scrum this massive all blacks sort of like about to flatten him and i went click and i thought that might be quite a nice picture and when we go back because it also in those days you know um is very much nuj controlled what does that mean national union of journalists if you weren't a member of the national union of journalists you could not get pictures published from live events okay in newspapers. So that's why the the press the photographers almost looked after themselves to a degree well it's sort of yeah. But it was just it's the way that the business had gone. And um they looked after the photographers effectively yeah. And you know because it was made sure that people got paid properly. For pictures of course and um used to have an nuj um approved wireman so in order to send a picture to a newspaper it had to go through this wire man you couldn't do it as a photographer you had to go use a wire man to do it. And what does the wireman do he puts the print on a drum right because it was you had to make a print first. And then.

You had to put a print on a drum and then.

This it would take seven minutes for a black and white or 21 minutes for a color three separations for the color where the picture spins around very fast and there's a little scanner that runs right across the picture and then.

That's transmitted down a phone line to the newspaper yeah. And then.

It's produced the other end they have to develop it out the other end same how much quality was lost quite a bit a lot yeah yeah it was a real mission to transparency i can't believe how in such a quite in a short space of time really how it's changed what it is today's bonkers i mean i've been right through the change it's been amazing when you look at it. But has it when you obviously you look back now to 78 and that's what happened but in that time frame it has has it felt like massive leaps and bounds or is it just been slowly. But surely just better yeah slowly. But surely it got better you know um once i got really serious about doing photography and neville had introduced me to a guy called bob thomas who had a sport football agency in 1981 okay. And i still been selling my nylon sheets and doing all sorts of jobs for neville for nothing because just because i love doing it you know and he'd loved having me around because not many people wanted to do night football you know he had a studio photographer there yeah he hated having to go to night games to do live events yeah. And i you know on with my company car i'd sort of wangle it if leicester city were playing away at rotherham. Or somewhere like that that i time it that i could do the match in the evening. For it perfect yeah. So it was fantastic. And i was still doing well selling sheets you know that was funding your what what. And was photography your hobby at this point would you say. Or would you actually have already become a bit i didn't make any money no it's purely a hobby yeah in that term. And you know on sundays instead of playing golf i'd go to mallory park because you know they had they used to have the bikes there and i remember barry sheen used to come twice three times a year he'd race at mallory park all of all the top motorbike right and i loved motorbike did you really thought it was amazing because you know the angles they get. And it was such a cool thing to do. And again access in those days was bonkers you could get into spots you would never dream of nowadays because again because of health. And safety or things like certain motorbikes yeah. And um you have to be sensible you don't go on the outside of anything because that's dangerous but if you can get on the inside. And some of the inside but you can really get them looking right at you while about by tilting 45. Or 45 and more degrees oh my god these knees on the top yeah. And what cool guys they were wow you know i remember bringing a print because i got a really nice one of barry. And i thought i'll take a print down to him gave it to him and he took me into his caravan cup of tea you know you're giving them something you give them value like you are taking it because everybody loves an amazing picture of themselves like whether it's doing something whether it's capturing a moment yeah whether it's just capturing even wedding pictures. And things like that like i feel like a photographer holds so much value to the to the person who's having the picture taken of you know so obviously you were going into these these motorbikers. And going look at this amazing picture we've got here yeah they were going come on david come. And come have a look at the bike and can you imagine trying to do that nowadays you know you wouldn't get past the garage you won't get past the wall outside the garage. So it's changed massively yeah yeah i was very lucky that that period was. And and color photography was still difficult in those days really yeah because your slide film it was. So critical for exposure and you know you had to have your camera settings spot on manual focus is another thing there's no autofocus in those days. And there's those big lenses that we use you know at the range certainly something like the sevi picture um 30 meters away from him wow you've got about this much depth of focus on those long lenses wow if you're not in that thing it's out of focus and it's not then.

From taking a picture whereas now with obviously mobile phones and actual cameras with the screens you can see instantly really if it's a good picture how from taking a picture how long would it be before you know if it's actually any good. Or not well you know that um that black and white i got les cuts worth the the the back end of that story is was that the new zealand rugby game yeah i never took took my two rolls of film he got because he used to get five rolls on a tank that used to process he had to wind them in the dark onto a pro onto a reel process them. And then.

Get them out dry them and that's what you see like the almost like in old school school movies yeah yeah exactly that it was literally that he had a red light because. For some reason red light and again i'm not very technical i'm you know i'm not i'm a self-taught photographer wow so um done by trial and error right but here he comes out he's got two spare real space for two more reels on his tank give me a roll i can roll in half. And he comes out he's whistling away that's quite a nice picture and he phones me up the next.

Morning and he says uh go and buy the sunday express and there it was that's under neville's name because you have to because of jay. And and you jay then.

Yeah yeah. And um but yeah it was in in the sunday expression going around the golf club yeah was that a bit of sweet then.

If no no god i'm just thrilled to get it used make you feel just over the moon oh yeah my mom was absolutely wetting herself literally yeah. And was that the start was that the moment you thought yeah this could be something i really move into from that moment onward it was really yeah that was it. So you've got rugby football loads of leicester city gary lineker as a youngster yeah those sort of things yeah you've gone into motorbike yeah a little motorbike was all hobbies it's a bit of a hub it's all hobby. But then.

I got this job with bob thomas which is he's a major football photographer at that stage. And that was the learning curve that was 18 months i learned 90 of what i still know nowadays in 18 months. And that was shooting football football within three months of joining bob i was doing my first world cup qualifying game in belgium wow. And that year i went to central america honduras el salvador doing world cup qualifying games south america uh you know literally and then.

You traveled much before this not really you're just out on your own imagine what it's like you know and i got sent to the practice round of the masters as well did you honestly in that trip yeah. So what was the first trip not on. But on another trip so what's the first year you went to the masters i went to practice rounds in 1982 okay yeah. And then.

I went again in 1983 by that stage i'd moved to all sport at that stage um sports she was shooting at anything anything was another was all sport was a um high end run by two guys tony duffy. And steve powell they were if you you know i always love looking at pictures yeah. And i'd worship these two guys because i'd seen their sports pictures in every sports magazine sunday supplements area all color that what we do we should shoot with color yeah whereas um. And then.

Because color slide film would take an hour over an hour to process was very critical process you couldn't do it in tanks. So it was very very critical processing. And much harder to do yeah. And you know we'd come back from a football game process the slide film make dupes that was probably on tuesday afternoon after the game on a saturday send them out they'd be going to the magazines. For thursday so four or five days after uh game four oh my goodness yeah. So not same day not next.

Day four or five days later wow yeah when when was the point golf became the focus well the the reason. For my move to all sport was um they said to me right you can shoot football in during the winter yeah. And golf in the summer and did they say that to you because they knew you golf background i'd also shown them some pictures i'd taken i mean i i'd sneaked off to the world match play in um 81 away two when i was still with bob. And um did some pictures there. And i got them quietly in my folio when i tried to get a job with all sport oh wow yeah. So i said this is what i love doing who did you take pictures of then.

Well you know sevi was big faldo yeah yeah i've been trying to think about nicholas watson wow yeah world match play was amazing tournament. And that was in the uk yeah at wentworth always the end of season usually end of september. And it would be the top eight or sixteen players in the world every year it was there yeah i knew it was match play at one point. But i didn't realize it was playing was that almost like the start of the wgc almost back then.

No not really suppose it could be taken to be a precursor of that yeah wow. But it was it was it was fantastic palmer would play in it gary player gary player won it a load of times unbelievable 70s 80s. And i think we were still shooting it in late 90s. So that's when you first kind of you jumped on there took a few snaps thinking i might move that into the future yeah. And then.

You started with all sports yeah. And they said there's an opportunity. For golf now yeah. And you took it i took it absolutely yeah i did my first well i had really already done the open with bob thomas at troon in 82. nice. So that was my first official um open. And uh obviously in the summer of 83 with all sport birkdale um tom watson bursting through the crowds on the 18th yeah. And um did you find it different to shooting your football because obviously with football you've got a pitch yeah everything's in front of you with golf you've got like you've got to be moving. So much very different and you know if i've worked with some amazing sports photographers who love doing football yeah take them to a golf tournament. And they're in bits i bet they are because they're like well i've got this i've got a stand. And i've got 18 holes and it's hard work and it's a bloody long day because you're carrying a big camera best the best light is first hour last hour okay. So that's my real witching hour if i had you know when i want the best players out on a golf course it's in the first hour or the last hour which is quite rare you normally get probably last hour more than you would first hour yeah. But even then.

Not often the big players no other golfers because at the end of the field you know tv matches will have finished before that. So that's why the open's so good because it's late finishes so yes nice light. And early start 6 30 in the morning yeah seven o'clock in the morning some of these guys are teeing off. But that's a long day and you're suddenly saying to a football photographer well you turn up at 6 30. oh yeah you might finish this at nine if you're looking it's not it's not 90 minutes. And you've got you don't get a little break halfway around and you've got to walk over some humpy hills so it's quite a hard thing but but you found it worth it just because you loved it because i love golf yeah. So you know it's in my blood obviously and i'm guessing you picked it up pretty naturally to photograph i think. So yeah yeah. And i think i have an advantage because i know what i'm looking. For as a golfer yeah. So i've had that very much in the back of my mind and would you say other sports photographers that you were working around at the time maybe weren't as uh as um knowledgeable about golf potentially they'd openly admit that right yeah they were just other sports photographers golf's a difficult one yeah yeah even if you know it you've got a big advantage. But um i've always said to people if you want to learn to be a sports photographer football's the one to learn on though because it's just all in front you're into it well somebody's that it's just that every single football game is totally different it's not predictable in any way you do not know what type of corner they're going to play you know if you're going to america to do a pro football in america it's kind of predictable you know the third down 99 times that 100 you know they're going to throw it to a wide receiver. Or whatever yeah. But football you do not you don't get that they almost want the unexpected don't then.

To catch them anything happening split second you're going to get an overhead kick. Or you know a sliding tackle or a car you know goals can come out of a great pass. And it's fast and it's going you know it's going every which way yeah. So manual focus in those days it was really hard to be a good football photographer. But if you got the ability to follow focus you had a huge advantage and that can transcend every single sport that you do the focus yeah the manual. For the manual focus in those days now it's a bit different because the cameras are. So incredible the autofocus systems they're eye controlled you know it's like easy easier easier with obviously like the golf photography like it goes out saying that when a golfer's got a put to win the open or showing some real emotion or something then.

That's kind of what you're looking for but on like a random thursday what would you be what is it then.

That you're really trying to capture i'm looking. For a great swing shot nice light i'll always look for nice light yeah yeah um backgrounds. And light and you then.

When you're working at a golf event now and i'm kind of jumping ahead of time now somebody recruit you they give you a shot list that you you're kind of working off i mean i've been lucky working. For all sport i was very much my own man yeah. So i was literally able to decide who i photographed where i wanted to do it. And then.

I've been through a spell working with getty images where we got so successful with golf we are you know renowned as the the place to go. For golf pictures anywhere in the world but we tend to work as big teams okay. And um because of that you kind of have to allocate right what you do in a day. So it's a bit bit more lack of the draw as to which game you get what happens i get yeah you can't write pick. And choose i want to be with that group for 18 years it doesn't work like that doesn't work like that you got to work as a team to get the best shots there's a lot to cover yeah i guess it's more governed i'm guessing you're not allowed to be out there from 6 30 in the morning till 11 o'clock at night you can if you want you can kind of yeah don't be stopping us i thought it'd be more rules. And regulations behind it well i don't wish it was because i think you know you i i'm more happy out there than i am computer editing. Or something yeah yeah right we need to re reset again. And go right so you i have so much to follow i'm loving this story so far obviously eighties you're into golf you've done a couple of open championships um and then.

And then.

Is this where you go did you moving exclusively into golf at this point as well that didn't happen until um probably early 90s okay after the 1990 world cup right um because i'd like to be honest usa no well yeah 1990 was italy italy yeah. So um the famous gas coin picture oh yeah yeah that's another good one i've got did you get that yeah i've got funny enough it's from the belgium game he was crying with emotion that they'd won right he did exactly the same thing as he did in the semi-final. So i i actually reap the benefit of that sometimes because the people that are almost identical wow yeah. But my version is from the belgium game when they actually won it was tears of success not tears of failure yeah yeah that's crazy he was an amazing guy to photograph as well he was because he showed. So much emotion yeah. And he was. So good as well yeah yeah he was yeah great. But um yeah. So where where what you got through there so i was saying more exclusively to golf yeah yeah it's um back in um. And unfortunately i'd been at both heisel and hillsborough disasters oh wow so um i suppose the lure of club football had suddenly become a little bit tarnished maybe yeah very much. So and i think i did the world cups because they wanted me as a good football photographer to do the world cups yeah. But golf at that stage um i'd been lucky enough to have had all those major winners in the 80s and golf would come become a huge part of the company and it was ripe. For growth basically yeah. And i was already a director of all sport at that stage. And we made a decision that i was just going to really try. And push golf and build the business right and technology was beginning to change the the first digital transmitters were just coming into the business. And it was starting to get quite interesting we could you know the digital transmitters were instead of having to do the drum uh transmitting of pictures you had these um big huge hasselblad boxes at that stage. And they weighed an absolute ton so but they could do a color picture in seven minutes okay where it was 21 21 yeah if the phone line had dropped in the 21s you had to start straight over again. But on these digital ones you could you know reset it and it go back to where it got to before do you ever look at like younger photographers now i know it sounds a little cliche like think they don't know how lucky they are with how quick. And instant it actually is. But i think we're lucky now. But i think i'm lucky because we had an amazing spell in those 80s. And 90s shooting color photography and the technology was. So so enormous the changes yeah you know suddenly we're working. For national newspapers because we're able to transmit our pictures quickly and suddenly you know the exposure for our pictures is. So much more yeah. So you know in in those days i'm guessing the pinnacle for you to have your picture on the back page of a newspaper yeah is that still the same today.

Or has that changed i still love that obviously yeah i mean a sunday telegraph did a great spread the other day on the cevi book. And it's just like so good open a double page almost in the sports section and you're thinking this is what it was like yeah yeah we don't get that now you know the golf magazines we've lost golf international we've lost 12 months uh golf world they've still ceased to be published yeah. And you know the days of opening a magazine and looking at a double page spread it's gone on it yeah it's sad. So it's a big change online more yeah. And that's why you know books you can still do them can't you bit off topic have you done much there's nft stuff then.

Recently what's that these i don't really non-transfer non-fungible tokens like where the actual somebody can buy the actual image i don't massively understand i need to do it more research. So basically i think from what i understand is you would take a image let's say image you've taken you would almost give the rights up to somebody else from what i believe i think it's that. And then.

It can it's like um it's like a certificate with it. And stuff like that it can go up in value like you almost pass over the responsibility to someone else then.

They own it obviously. For a great fee yeah well you can do that with prince can't you can do limited edition with prince a number of photographers. So that's how they work yeah is that they get a great picture especially sort of wildlife guys get a great picture. And they say right we're going to print 12 of these. And that's it right okay. For thousands of pounds so you can do that. But for us it's not it's no no value in that really because we're selling these pictures all over the world of course you know the getty images sales tool is unique incredible yeah unbelievable i'm just looking at it now there's. So many foul i think you've got 170 000 pictures on there. Or something yeah you have yeah you've got 170 this is correct. So david cannon 177 539 premium high-res photos and you could probably add another 50 000 slides that haven't been scanned yet nice for someone buy so i could buy that print you can buy it through through the website yeah. And it would get images be taken off then.

Yeah yeah you can buy a print. But you can also if you want to use it. For publication then.

You download the full-size file yeah you're charged at that point okay yeah yeah. So that's how it works so you know joe public can come onto our site. And right click and you can get the image with the getty images watermark on. But it's a low res yeah. So that's the way it's done does it annoy does it annoy you google images i don't know. So it's it's an interesting question that because there's one way it's a way of getting your pictures out there and if it's the one with the watermark on your names on it and the sources people not just like crop it out you can pop it out. But then.

Again they're only going to get low rest they're not good quality suppose it's all right. For screen raise the screen rates to a point like mobile phone but it's right even on a laptop you'd notice that it was massive quality it's really different audience if you're a school kid doing a a presentation on tag words that one might be a right click. And save job but if you want to prop a picture of tiger and the elves you want that in full high res you want it for a print you've got to all for a reproduction in the magazine or whatever so there's a fee on that one obviously there's a fee on that picture there if i wanted to just buy the right so that's it to to have it's that price if that the same wanted to put into a book as well would you have to let them pay different prices or less probably for a book hold it yeah right. So um books are a little bit a bit more um not reasonable. But we sort of like there's prices structures done for everything advertising is the big one that's where you're going to make your most money because they're selling something new it's been associated with the product yeah. And then.

The books are probably volume you know in the history because books are all about history yeah the moments an event you know split seconds of people's career. And lives and that's what i always say to people that's what i'm capturing is split seconds of people's lives whereas a video photographer. Or videographer is capturing a moving yeah a moving moment yeah whereas i'm. And i think the power of the still image is still huge i do love pictures i mean obviously i live in a world of video youtube yeah instagram facebook yeah i live in a world. But i still love admit like you drop this every book off for us which we really thank you for thank you so much for that which meant i spent about 10 minutes before i was chatting just flicking through the pictures i mean i just love pictures. And some of these ones in this book are just unbelievable we will come onto sevi definitely yeah i wanna ask a few questions favorite pitch you've ever taken is it easy question number that's number one that's number one. So describe describe this for everybody listening yeah describe this picture. For us so it's the uh final hole the open championship at saint andrews yeah 1984 yeah. And final round and i've followed sevi a lot of the way and he's worn he's taking his jumper off mostly around so he's in a white shirt which is bad news. For a color photographer of course we don't like but white shirts we don't like black shirts and we don't like white shirts you like color we like color so anyway does the white shirt blend in with the background sometimes it's just hard because it's um harder to focus on it's hard to expose properly because you know you can underexpose the face. And when you're shooting slide film you had to be absolutely critical on the exposure on their faces yeah because that's the only way the picture would be usable i get yeah. So anyway he's put his jumper back on by the end of the round and um i'm much happier yeah he's down 18. he's hit his drive down the middle of 18.. And i'm absolutely nervous as a kitten really because you know this is my this guy this is my guy this is your man this year you played with what eight years earlier was that 84. yeah eight years seventy six years. And then.

But you've you've seen him in the in those eight years he's become a superstar yeah he's won already that stage three majors by that stage. So um and i hadn't been any one of those majors that's the weird thing about it you know i wasn't the us masters in 80 or 83 right and i wasn't at the open in 79. wow so this is your first opening first open with your mansion he's your man yeah he's in contention i'm going down the right hand side of saint andrews you know it's double fairways. And it's so not strict but in those days it was less strict you know keeping near to the um spectators excuse me on the right hand side the fairway. And um here's his second shot onto the green yeah. And i'm thinking right i'm going to get up there quickly. So i hurtle upside to the back of the green and we're on the bank we're allowed inside the green fence that in that that year because now we have to go behind the green thing well because there's a big grandstands there now well there were greens big grand stands then..

But yeah there weren't. So many photographers okay yeah if there were 30 photographers at an open championship that would have been really mostly in the peak of the tiger woods uh you know late 90s early 2000s probably 150 we're applying wow. But more we're applying but 150 were allowed yeah. So um it was quite civilized in effect. And i just found this spot i saw where his ball was. And i thought right i'm going to sit here i could have gone all the way around. And been straight at him which yeah you know probably on reflection if i'd gone that way it would have been a great picture as well because if i've seen versions from straight out there would you have had the town in the background a bit more there a little bit yeah. But what you wouldn't have had is that lovely out of focus background it's ridiculous. And that's what i that's me and a color photographer and that's kind of what we were looking. For at all sport it was that type of photograph. So are they the the the crowd in the background are they almost behind the swelling they're the other side the fairway literally. So they're probably 80 90 100 yards behind him 18th at left side of the 18th or almost the first they're the right side of the first right okay. So left side of 18 yeah oh i get yeah. So when he's doing that when he's doing that pose which and if people listen this is the famous one service just knocked it in. For par because it only just went into it oh my god it just dropped that's another part of the story is i'm sat there. And i don't know something inside me said put a fresh roll of film in. So i had to put a fresh roll of film in number one wow and is that better. For pictures but it means you've got 36 right to play with and the cameras in those days were four. Or five frames a second right so i had a total eight seconds to play with maximum oh my goodness yeah. And um he stood there hits this putt so but the crowd is all you're looking at you can't see whether the ball is going in. So you're looking at him and the noise you know you know you can tell something's going to happen of course yeah yeah. And then.

It almost hangs on the edge and it just drops it it's like destino or whatever he said he wheeled it into the hole. And then.

He starts there and there's a huge fist pump straight towards the clubhouse which is where i wasn't sitting yeah you know inside i'm thinking you know i've missed this yeah. And then.

Next.

Minute he stands there and he starts pumping away like this oh my goodness that's where that sequence and that's very near the end of the roll of film and i you know probably two frames later ran out of film and did you know i knew that was potentially did you know i didn't know i'd exposed it right i didn't know that i'd focused it right because i say you know four. Or five inches of latitude on the focusing oh my god so i'm sat there i reround the film mate very careful rewind because if you open that back of that camera by mistake whole film's gone because it exposed to light yeah exactly. So you know made sure that film was properly rewound you did our power drive would rewind it electronically. But then.

I just got the manual and make sure that that's spinning easily so i know it's all gone in yeah marked the roll of film with a with a sharpie. And um goes into a very special place in my i had one of those jackets in those days and zipped it up you know and you were safe then.

We did the presentation oh my god which was lovely yeah you're thinking great. And then.

I wasn't supposed to drive home till the next.

Day because i've done a whole day's work and i'm thinking you know drive back leisurely on monday because there's no rush because back to leicester london that's a long drive then.

Isn't it back to london london because the office is in london all sports offices south london um morden. And um something inside me said i needed to see this picture. So i drove overnight oh my dears exactly and um got to the office about seven in the morning and the dark room guy was in luckily because it came in early because monday morning was the big rush of course because okay we can see four. Or five of us who work for all sport in those days yeah you know four. Or five photographers film to process yeah. And that was. And you went i'm going first that's the whole week's work there. So i probably had 50 rolls of film 60 rolls of film with me but you started with that one started with that one but i didn't process the whole role this is the key thing in those days because if i knew that that was a critical critical picture i thought the exposure is. So important i said to john john g famous name because he's our dark room manager john g john g e g no all right okay kenyan guy brilliant guy i said do me a clip test which is where he cuts off about four inches five inches probably to frame four. Or something yeah. And i had hit a couple of shots of frames of him just lining up his putt yeah purely because i thought just in case i'd do this. And we processed that he had to wait an hour and a half for that process to come out fine i was spot on yeah. So the next.

Thing is focus. So i said right processing. So i didn't see that film probably until 11 o'clock monday morning wow yeah. And you think nowadays it's literally back in the day maybe two seconds yeah. And then.

You press a button it's transmitted to the office it can be on the out on the web within three minutes well people expect as soon as a trophy is lifted yeah at a tournament you get pictures straight after don't you straight up all across the way the business is now it's the fastest picture is the one that gets used not always the best not always the best you know really speed is a huge part of the business now whereas in those days. So leisurely i just think back to those days. And i think. So you got this picture yeah. And then.

It did it get printed. So the next.

That day obviously we made dupes which are copies yeah. So we made about probably about 36 or something like that i'd choose a set of 20 pictures from the open for the whole week 20 20 pixels yeah make. And how many direction you're taking um so 50 times 36 1500 yeah you know roughly two maximum two thousand pictures. And you use twenty yeah probably a few more afterwards. But for a rush that we'd send out to magazines yeah the open maybe 40. might have got 40.. And um yeah. So um i i was. So pleased with it and i knew that the headquarters for schlesinger you know look at the panther scavenger clothing was down in croydon okay which is not very far from us. So i took a set i got set that afternoon i drove around and i met a guy called john parsons who's still alive and still i played golf with him last week actually in bournemouth and he was working at slides in general he was an advertising manager. For them and i said i've got these amazing pictures he said open your checkbook well hopefully should we start with this no how many zeros never. And i left them with him and he rang me the next.

Day so we're going to do a campaign with these i bet we are yeah. So they were on the london underground on the bus shelters all over britain amazing fantastic sale. For me obviously and and um just it started from there i can't can't count how many times that picture's been used and when when did did you have when was the first time sevi spoke to you about it ah not long after because i made sure i gave him some prints of course again in that eight years yeah were you chatting to him we thought of it he wouldn't know me from adam he can't remember he yeah yeah no especially that. But also the fact that he played in the pro am you know just you're just another partner no. But from that moment i started to get to know him right did you remind him that we played together eight years ago i told him he said really you know that was it. And he saw that did he love it he loves it yeah well look at his arm well it's his logo now is it on his arm as well tattoo tattooed on his arm yeah. And i remember going to a practice ground. And saying need some artist reference money for that yeah exactly. And he goes no no no david do you not think when a picture like that is just. So iconic like i've obviously that was pictures before i was born always know when i look at sevy that picture you almost forget that somebody took the picture it's almost like it's just been here it sounds like do you know what i mean it's just. So iconic you took that picture how ridiculous is that. And the noise i still remember that i could still get put goose bumps on my back of my neck basically the noise of the you know hearing that puck go in and seeing him do that in front of me. And you sort of after this moment of absolute at the end i don't know how you press it at the right time exactly and in those days the cameras were not that reliable you know if you turn them upright you the battery pack sometimes that com the fallout will not fall out. But the connection would come loose oh my god so i had gaffer tape on my battery packs because i had that happen at the london marathon that year the finish of the london marathon i've had it upright and dressing like there's nothing happening so yeah is there ever a time then.

When you might take a picture. Or something else takes a picture that goes like becomes a massive picture but you almost that you've got a better one that for whatever reason hasn't had that same kind of traction have you seen the pictures of this what you think are really good. But yours there's some other angles that are brilliant they just haven't had that say. But i think that's because was prepared to drive overnight well yeah well no they were. But you know there's a black and white sequence i've seen of it but in black and white which i think is great in a way. But it gives um it doesn't have the same appeal as that color so um because color would have still been quite new at that point i guess colored pictures or skillful it was right. And it was expensive to do. And the market was you know the newspapers didn't use color in those because you know we hadn't had today.

Newspaper was 86 i think was the start of color newspapers. So the only thing you'd get color pictures in with this color supplements that was a big earner. For us was radio times. Or or the um observer or sunday times magazine because they were colored then.

Yeah. And male 1 so this is incredible. So that picture is number one yeah what's i'm not going to go through every single one what's uh give us once a close not maybe not a sevy one what's your next.

Best not sevi carl lewis picture car lewis two weeks later oh you said at the olympia olympics in 84 yeah. So um if you're looking if you're looking it up online you said carl lewis cannon 1984. i'm gonna wait. For the guy to do it have you ever had a picture as well. And that you've loved that hasn't gone big but it's got a piece in your heart of like one that's just yeah well there's a couple of sevi in there you know um is it that one uh that running one top left oh that one i do oh my goodness that's almost not real incredible technically that that in at the time technically that's the picture i'm most proud of as a technical shot that's actually incredible yeah. So this this is a picture it was in 84 olympics it was in the long jump actually. And the story behind the song was that america los angeles yeah. So my first olympic games and imagine what a thrill that was of course you know summer games olympic los angeles wow in the livestream we called them the kodachrome games yeah because the light was. So fantastic beautiful weather the whole time and um that story is i was very much the junior guy because steve powell. And tony duffy were very much the kingpins yeah tony duffy was the world's best this is all sports yeah track. And field photographer and steve powell was probably the world's best all-round sports photographer wow at that stage. And um they were doing the track. And field basically you know myself and trevor jones we were the juniors. And so we were off to weightlifting in anaheim just all sorts of whatever it was rowing. Or whatever it was. But still an amazing experience but that afternoon i finished at the weightlifting in anaheim and i thought you know what i'm going to try. And get into the track tonight and because your credential it was every venue you'd go in that's fine then.

I got in there. And i if i don't know whether you look seen there's a picture of tony duffy's taken in 1968 olympics bob beeman this iconic long jump picture i bet i've seen it yeah tony duffy what well bob beeman. And wild olympics mexico 868. mexico it's a long jump picture where he's literally flying like a bird through the air let's have a look i think that's the one is it's a bit dark sorry that's it that was the world record where he broke the world record by about two. And a half feet wow literally two and a half feet in one jump uh it's because it altitude in mexico city and tony didn't have a credential for those olympics he's sat in the crowd but he was an athletic fan wow a bit like i was a golf fan yeah yeah he's. And he was he's incredible to this day he lives in san diego. And he's looking at pictures every single day sports pictures we email all the time really yeah amazing man. But he took that picture that is phenomenal you know that just. So you you were on the track in 84. yes i got there. And i was thinking i'm going to do it you might just have to come a little bit closer tonight i was thinking i'm going to do that picture walk in there there's a hundred photographers head on i'm thinking i'm not going to get in there. So i thought well what's the what's the thing about carl lewis he was also the olympic 100 meters champion. So i thought i'm going to do a pitch of him sprinting long jump he sprints on the long jump. And i managed to talk my way into a position um on the side of the track where i could just and the light was fading. And but i still wanted to use nice quality film yeah. So i thought right i'm going to have to do a pan shot which is. For technical side is slow shutter speed. And i did it wide open on this up 130 feet 135 lens f2 which is technical too yeah. But people will know sure people listen to people who know. And i shot it at a 60th of a second so it's blurred the background but i held the focus on him as he's running and literally that picture was in there. And when i saw that the next.

Day it was like oh my god yeah i know i'm growing places yeah i don't think that picture would look as good with today's equipment it there's something about the look of it that looks film yeah i almost like the fact is his feet are moving that fast yeah they look blue they're blurred yeah. And you know one of the great things i've had and i didn't see it because i was away at the uspga in 2012. And that picture was projected onto the houses of parliament yeah. And there's a picture on online i found it i don't know where you're going to find it wow. And for me i've got this huge in my study at home this picture i'm not coming up on google by lots of things no probably it will be on getty it's on gettysburg you have to send a link later i'll put it in the video yeah no it's it's a brilliant picture wow yeah. And someone's got it with big ben and the houses of parliament at night with my picture that's so is cool yeah is then.

What's the what's your most proudest moment proudest difficult one because proud i'm really proud of the sevi moment yeah you know. For me that picture yeah it means. So much to golf it means so much to his family it means so much to the open championship yeah you know it's it's european tour everybody even though it wasn't a european tour event you know they all love it because he's european superstar. So i'm most proud of that i'm proud of that carl lewis picture yeah. But i'm just proud of the fact that i'm leaving a legacy to sport to a sport that i love yeah yeah sport as a whole i've got some pretty iconic football pictures in there in my you know world cup career. And some football i think i was even here. For the first premier league um brian robson lived in the premier league for the first time wow yeah i was there that night. So i got in without a pass did you there's another story yeah i suppose if you go in there with authority. And cameras i've been there before it was just we needed an extra photographer in there we just managed we worked a team as a team that got me in as well. So next.

Thing i want to ask what's your favorite major to photograph right as a as an atmosphere and as an event the open okay no doubt yeah yeah. But for photography the masters just because of how beautiful it is it's just. So incredible yeah. And you know we have to work behind the ropes it's the only event we have to work from the crowd and it's very it's very rare that no um patrons have cameras no cameras no phones. But you have to be the patron side behind the ropes behind the ropes but the other beauty of that is if you look at the fairways there is just one cameraman. And that's it yeah no no bunker rakers yeah no scoreboard carriers no radio commentators nothing it's clean it's pristine. And the lights amazing at augusta i've been once i was there. For 2018 final round yeah. And i couldn't believe how um looking on the side of 13th yeah how empty it is you get like there's nothing there my studio that's my afternoon studio to me is like absolute best place. And you just pull up a green chair and and shoot away sometimes no because you want to move don't you yeah you know how long having to talk my way through the crowd all the time the english accent works a dream yeah. And also the uh the my height helps yeah. But sometimes it's a mission to try and get through because a lot of time the the patrons part of the chair there that's when you're in trouble yeah. But then.

You try and get to the front row of the standing and then.

Pray they don't stand up in front of you of course give it a big moment you know i've been done before on 18 by people just leaping up i've caught me and you just don't see a thing oh my god yeah question then..

For you david yeah. So you've been to as according to this 120 mages which is ridiculous. And i've just missed two masters the first time i've 37 in a row i've done that because of travel restrictions yeah you thought you could have done it also there's insurance reasons right um within getty. So would you have liked to have been at those masters just because there's no changes as well yeah just a joy. But i gathered it was quite tough actually with some american photographers that kind of wound you all about the thing about getty is we've got. So many photographers so we're starting with like next.

World week after next.

Pga championship was just starting with us-based photographers. And you feel like you're like a team like does that yeah getty almost feels like a team. So you don't mind if somebody from getty gets that picture you want it to be yours obviously it's competitive i do mind you it's competitive as long as getty get it. But get it yeah that's the number one priority yeah. But um i'm actually working slightly differently with getty now because i've done 30 well 38 years now with the same company yeah. And um they kind of let me do what i want to do. So we keep producing the goods so well yeah. But um it's also physically it's bloody hard yeah. So i'm in mid 60s so to actually you know be up on your feet for 15 hours carrying that stuff is of course quite physically sorry you're going to ask a question we've been to 120 to major. So far which is obviously ridiculous. But what is it that really keeps that motivation is it trying to find that other picture that's going to be like as unpowered as 71 is it's the love of it what is it that keeps it going it's i mean i do not go out without a camera basically my wife hates me because every time i go. For a walk or we go on holiday full kit goes in reason yeah. And um you know i've got a passion for photography so that's number one yeah. And number two is um i just love being there you know being part of it being busy witnessing the best golf in the world watching history yeah you must know everybody when you use these tournaments though the masters is funny do you pretty much know every player don't know the americans particularly well. But certainly you know that's why i used to i love doing the walker cup yeah. And i missed this is the first one i've missed since 83. is it really yeah. And that's because you get to meet them as amateurs of course and again i first met rory mcilroy properly and you know we've been friends ever since and it's like made massive difference he won last night yes fantastic would you would you have if you had it. So how come you can't go there now is that still the same restrictions i could know. But get it it's um all to do with the insurance. And stuff yeah. And they don't want to um have people traveling okay. And you know they've got staff in america who can do it unfortunately. So i'm just going to be patient if you'd had a choice yesterday yeah on hindsight yeah to be at the walker cup final round. Or rory's difficult probably a walker cup just because you see these fresh faces and i love the walker cup yeah it's a great event you know match play at its best yeah yeah do you like the ryder cup as well. For that as well yeah. And president's corp and solheim isn't a bit different it's it's more of a that's more like a job it's still yeah. But it's i was done last one in australia. And it was fantastic. But it's just it's a little bit more friendly yeah it's a weird thing to say. But it's not quite got the same compassion yeah competitiveness as the ryder cup had do you find yourself being a bit biased towards european players. For pictures massively well you know i like bryson de chambeau i think he's brilliant. For golf he's a you know love him or hate him character yeah. But i think he's you like taking pictures of him yeah god yeah i mean i'd love to have been at bay hill when he knocks it across that pond what a shot that was that crazy i bet you got some good before. And afters of him now as well yeah the size changed his arms are about the size of him um then.

One of the questions to ask as well taking pictures of golfers on golf course is obviously a huge passion taking pictures of just golf courses i love it do you as well oh yeah what what do you love about that. So much just the beauty in it do you love that more than taking pictures of players yeah i think if i was you know the way i'm going at the moment. And you know during lockdown i've learned how to fly a drone so i've got a drone license now nice i was going to say that that's a bit of a game changer. For you it is am i right saying you took that famous picture of dubai yeah before. And after is that helicopter that's that's famous that picture it's a bonkers isn't it it's the most amazing coming up now well you know i've got a file i can send you. But it's a before and after of the eighth hole ground level and from the famous eight hole going back towards the city same view the view no way yeah. And did you know about then.

Did you know what it was going to become well i just actually um a really good friend of mine tony lewis was the pr guy. For the emirates golf club took me out before it was built that's how i got that picture. So that was even before play had even been played there yeah yeah he said this is going to be big. And he's he's lived in dubai ever since then.

Fantastic but it just but he he um said to me he said this is going to be big enough. So i went out and directed it emirates airline just started in those days ek 001 flew to gatwick and um i remember going out on that flight. And he always got me business class seats so it's a fantastic experience yeah. And um yeah get up there. And you just see the vision of what they had and sheikh mohamed had for dubai and to think that golf is. So much a part of that vision yeah you know they knew they didn't have the natural resources abu dhabi had. And they knew they had to create something that was different to compete with abu dhabi because you know they were oil rich gas rich dubai didn't have that yeah. And his vision was to make this amazing commercial touristy tourist attraction yeah. And that golf club is such an iconic part. So central into the development of dubai as a emirate that um yeah i'm really honored to have been there to see to be able to record that. And i missed my first dubai desert classic in january yeah every one of them oh the one that you've just missed now justin johnson is that is that annoying because the fact you've not gone. But also the fact that you can't say anything to everyone since yes i mean infuriating you know it's like an asterisk yeah yeah yeah hopefully i'm gonna manage the solheim cup in september because i've done every one of those where's that this year it's in america. So i'm thinking that by september i think we'll be okay hopefully. So but before the pandemic then.

Were you obviously traveling a lot still yeah 25 30 weeks a year wow. And that's how is that hard. For the family for your wife and your young sons yeah yeah. But they've been brilliant because they you know when i am home i'm home yeah. And not many dads are able to go to the matches midweek. And yeah that's true pick them up from school. And so i'm home for two weeks at a time or whatever it is. And i'll do everything with him yeah is he is he into photography yeah he's a good little photographer he could be all right yeah. But his um he's great things cricket he's really yeah his little sussex cricketer sounds like a mini you yeah he's good many you from cooking golf in a few years. But my oldest boy did that you know he was a great little cricketer very strong cricketer yeah. And could have easily have played it seriously but he found golf at age 13 so i'm dreading the you know i've got two years to go if toby comes up to me and says i want to go and play golf oh my gosh yeah it's dad's responsibility to make sure that they get the jobs. And they get the opportunities you know enough people in golf yeah yeah yeah yeah when you i just want to rewind on that dubai one when you went could you almost could you almost vision it becoming what it was like not a clue like it doesn't even no you can't it was literally a golf course the first seven. Or eight of those desert classics there was nothing it didn't really change the odd hotel was being built along the along the coast by the golf club yeah you know the shake side road was still a four-lane road maximum no it's like 12 lanes in it yeah. And you know and um shakes that we once went we drove from they were building the abu dhabi golf club. And i think 2000. And uh 2000 1999 roundabout then.

We got a press trip and we got on a bus from the emirates golf club on the sunday night after the tournament yeah. And they took us up to abu dhabi it took nearly four hours or something what that road was behind lorries oh my goodness it's a hundred. And something kilometers and for most people it's it's 50 minutes now into it literally yeah it was a miserable journey i remember that yeah lots of stops next.

Question another one obviously photographers. So golfers are on the golf course. And they're playing for their live they're living everything that they've you know it's their passion yeah have you ever got into any conflicts with them monty tell he was out of order can you can you tell it yeah of course i can dive into it dunhill cup okay um andrews yeah one of the very late latest later donald cups. And i think scotland were playing paraguay in the world cup no in the dunhill cup what's the dunhill daniel cut was the precursor of dunhill links where they used to have um a team of three from possibilities this is still golf yeah okay yeah on the old course. And um team of three and it was it was stroke play match play. So three from scotland yeah three from paraguay yeah three matches okay yeah. And it's stroke play match play so in other words you know you can be four ahead. But you can lose on the 18th sort of thing. So don't quite get that well so you you it's stroke play okay. But you get your point by winning i get you all right you got me so yeah. So you have to you have to shoot less than the other person the other so i shoot 90 rickshaws 92 i get the point yeah exactly okay. So monty's on the 17th he said it left off the tee safe shot yeah his little fade didn't work. But he's grumpy because i think he's one down well shot behind. Or something at this stage and um i'm the only photographer out there on the left because that's quite a nice spot in the deep hay and stuff and i'm miles off his line i mean he's gonna have to hit a banana slice to get it over me. And um anyway he starts you know doing his thing and huffing and puffing and then.

He shouts at me and i think okay i'm going to get out of the way here i know you know with monte he just don't he was he was infuriated on the course off the course fantastic yeah brilliant bloke. But on the car battle the game infuriated him basically right and he falls infuriated him and i was the fool that afternoon. For getting in his way basically oh no yeah i remember seeing him afterwards. And i said monty that was a bit unfair. And he said i'm. So sorry did it really apologize yeah. But um did he know it was you oh yeah obviously yeah we you know yeah. But he he i don't think i've ever really uh rory at the open sun to ross. And george's beautiful sky 18 and we can just sneak in. And lie down behind the tee and it's been pouring with rain and the cameras have got wet i'm literally he's just about to start his backswing this camera starts going yours does yeah i'm not pressed anything god's proof until this day this is 18th hole yeah everyone looks around here who's that idiot said george sorry yeah. But luckily enough it was still going i put it on the ground it was still going. And rory just sort of laughed at me i was. So cross it's never happened to me you feel like this big yeah yeah. And um because i'm always even when i'm at golf event by the masters where you can't take your phone yeah i almost checked my phone a hundred times when i'm on when i'm near people i'm just good you can still make noise when it's on site when you do that when you hold the buttons down just like the sos thing. And stuff yeah yeah they're lethal things aren't their phones when the mobile phones first came out they were really lethal because i don't think they had a silent mode did they back with their face. But i mean. For a long time they weren't they weren't really allowed in golf tournaments as well for a while i remember i remember dropping them off at robert del carmen what year now they opened they banned them yeah that was a bad era. For the open for working conditions because he brought his own war with him basically yeah what's the best picture you got tiger in the woods in dubai behind the trees i can send you. But he's playing thomas bjorn 2001 and he loses it on the 18th because he drives right through the fairway interview because there's a dog leg left in it he goes like that he went through into these bushes and he's in there and it's again technically it's another good picture for me because it's very dark in there and i've got a 600 ml lens on a monopod which is really tough. And um i've managed to sing a 125th of a second or 60th of a second again but he's hit this shot and sands comes blurred it's like streaks of sand wow but he's i've always i'd always wanted to get tiger in the woods yeah right yeah you know. And that was it that's my ultimate tiger in the woods i thought you were going to say one of the ones that the masters 97. you know the last masters i got his backside the famous picture when he turned back towards the crowd. But actually it's a lovely version it's been used a lot because the crowd massive reaction in the crowd is brilliant. And he's there arms up like that so i'm quite proud of that one even though at the time i think geez i'm in the wrong spot again you know as long as it's not side view as long as you're 180 to him i guess yeah as long as as long as your face on yeah. Or right behind yeah it's the side ones that probably don't crowd yeah yeah. And you know the reaction for the crowd is just spectacular yeah yeah to a man everyone's got their arms up except. For craig's tackle it's a brilliant picture because if you look at it yeah there's one grumpy chap sat on the stool at the front row. And it's craig stadler in a green jacket yeah why is he any reason no it's just craig stutter it's the way he is i think what's the one picture you want to get is the one that you've just don't feel like you've got. Yet i know it's hard to predict the future but it is the one that you think i wish. Or i want to get that picture can i put words in your mouth roaring in a green in a green jacket yeah i'm just gonna say exactly that no hesitation that would be that would be imagine if you've done it this time was praying i bet i have to say you know the old bones were being rattled a bit yeah i imagine i would have loved to see him win it i i was quite relieved when he didn't yeah anyway any others do you think like a i feel like you would have grown up obviously with westwood yeah west would win a major would be i mean that's the saddest thing i've seen in golf was watson not winning in 2009 oh that was awful. And it would stew at sync yeah that spoiled one of the greatest stories in sport basically. And you you weren't i'm going to put i'm going to throw a guy under the bus here yeah you weren't as impressed with him you didn't want not wanting to win obviously i know first. For photography wise that would have been some picture the only thing i thought i said on the podcast before which obviously is a very different opinion to most people is that i want golf to be seen as cool. And young to younger people and i just wondered if a guy that was 50 something. Or whatever it was at the time won the biggest event in the world would that i think he missed the point personally i think that would have been you know that would have been. So brilliant for golf because name any sport that you can have a career that's going to last you four decades basically. And you're going to be competitive. For four decades you can't can you no. And i think that would that would have been the absolute iconic moment. And the fact he'd won five opens already i know at that point yeah within westwood unfortunately he in a way lost it worse than watson did because you know he went through the back of 16 i think it was westwood to need that 15 treacherous bunker same open same open as a treacherous bunker just through the back of this par three. So um and didn't get up and down and sorry sorry carry on i was going to say westwood winning major yeah 100 oh yeah brilliant i just feel like he is. And the way he's playing at the moment is just phenomenal like i mean he's died off a little bit these last few weeks. But before that he's just been playing outrageously yeah yeah do you was going to ask them obviously when i've been some majors myself not been that many i've been to a few opens. But sometimes you actually don't see much golf because obviously you can't watch it all on the course do you almost come back from a tournament. And feel like you've kind of not actually seen that much you know you've been there for four days i'm furious it's my wife yeah then.

What do you when you get back have you recorded the golf [Music] you've been there. But if you don't see a lot of you're trying to support yourself do you try. And spot yourself no no not intentionally every time. And now and again i'm always embarrassed when i see myself i'm just lying down with your camera going off without you touching it. Or i'm picking my nose or whatever it is one um with the kind of integration now obviously with mobile phones being. So good pictures that are taking on mobile phones sometimes do you feel like they get too much praise. Or or are you are you a fan of modern technology with photos photography thing again isn't it it's part of photography now yeah i mean i've just been lucky enough to get a new iphone i'm blown away by that damn camera on that thing it is good in there yeah it's fantastic you know. And uh might it stop me taking my big cameras on holiday no oh no still not i still need that long lens i'm born. And bred on long lenses the effect of a long lenses do you like the depth of field i like this bit this time you can't do that with an iphone like that you got the portrait. But it's not the same what about editing software can you get editing that can do this now can't you i suppose you have yeah. But again it's not as i'm not a photoshop expert unfortunately i probably should be i think you know in the old days a young photographer you'd learn in a dark room a lot of the best all sport photographers came from having jobs working as assistants in the darkroom seeing the great pictures. And seeing how they work yeah nowadays if you need to learn photoshop first you know if you're a young photographer you get brilliant at photoshop of course that will help you a lot almost saves you bad pictures done it really to a certain extent. But you've still got to expose digital cameras that's a trap people can fall into is that you think you know you can get away with it. But if you've got if you've exposed it right in the first place you can do. So much more with the file afterwards the goal for playing golf what picture or what part of golf i'm trying to explain this the best way do you like taking pictures of the best is it full shots with a driver bunker shots putting celebrations reactions emotions what do you enjoy the most i like the whole lot. But i think as a golfer i like seeing a swing shot full there's a picture in there of sevi like a like uh don't think what you call them now um like a breakdown um like a swing sequence yeah sequences are great because um they're part of um part of um this is this this to me is the ultimate swing shot describe this one to everyone listening that that was taken in the open uh lithum in 1988. And it was the third second round friday afternoon live. And 15th hole monster par five into the wind yeah beautiful light sevi right at the peak of his swing on a slight uphill lie. And i just you know the fact he didn't wear a hat that's another big i bet you like that about him didn't you i liked it about all golf in those days i've got a famous picture of jack nicholas in 86 you know when he's following the putting on the 17th hole in the final round oh yeah was that when he's wearing like a yellow yellow yeah. But iconic pictures the last major yeah that's a version of it anyway um. And um no hat. And golfers didn't really start wearing hats because they weren't they were you know they weren't the value now if you asked chubby chandler he said no dave i said that that's it he said that's the most important part of a golfer's body yeah the hat. So you you don't see the people's personalities because you get shadows shadows we even struggled making videos like i often sometimes like i need to not get my cap in the way because i just don't see my eyes horrendous isn't it um david just so we don't obviously forget before we do wrap this up where can people get the book. And let's have a little bit on the book because we've referenced it a few times and we've got obviously a copy it looks awesome but where can people find it. And tell us a bit more about the book so the book was it's an idea obviously i've always dreamt about doing a book like this on sebby especially since he passed away. But yeah not had time really. And um last summer i suddenly thought you know what am i going to do came up with the idea tried to find the publishers nobody really backing me at that point. And i had a chance conversation with martin slumbers of the rna yeah. And he said you know just contact me if you need help with it great. So i did like yeah i will well i did once i got a publisher interested i still had to find a publisher who was going to back us. But then.

These the publishers vision sport publishing were not quite convinced. But then.

Once we got the sponsorship or the help don't like really call it sponsorship because it's like involved it's it's um almost like a collaborative relationship yeah. And um that was. So significant that um i got i got the idea off the ground then.

I spoke to carmen his ex-wife uh about involving family and she said speak to the children. And i did. And they were fantastic from the word go brilliant. And um they all developed from that and then.

You know we did this online basically we meet with the designer one end of the computer. And and we put it all together and it was a great journey. And it brought back a lot of emotion and i've tried to use all the best what i thought some of the best pictures by other photographers as well so it's not purely my work at all but it's um all from the getty archive basically and it's such a i mean it's. So well put together it's a beautiful book really i'm really thrilled the way it's coming so his life through the lens and like i said loads of pictures obviously you've taken over the years all the other um photographers family pictures that you said that no people have never seen them before. But you know when you look at those family pictures every single picture has that smile yeah there's never been a smile like it in sport i don't think tiger smiles different yeah he hasn't got the same warmth yeah he wasn't he it's not one because he he kind of you know i was born in 86 yeah. So i kind of missed the sevy window i'd love obviously i massively respect him and everything that he did. And i've seen all the archives and everything else i didn't live in this world and i kind of miss it it's hard to explain of all the golfers that i think this is the area that i would love to experience it was an amazing experience. For european golf yeah amazing because he got langer lyle faldo woozen. And lazavel yeah winning mages you know. And from not being apart from tony jacqueline which barely won a major it's crazy in it so available to buy now yeah to buy now it's uh it was launched last friday may the 7th the 10th anniversary was passing um how long it's been already 10 years wow. So it's it's going to be available in bookshops fairly soon because brilliant. And the but the best way to buy it is online at www dot com savvythebook.com the book. And there's two or two editions you can buy because you can buy the regular trade edition which is this one. Or there's a special limited box edition this is nice which is nice this is that's nice do you say you got the print in this one. So i signed i signed a print on art paper in each one numbered one to a thousand wow is this ours yeah wow yeah that's not one of the limited editions though what no. But that is that is that's my author's copies i got some authors copies. So they're more rare yeah yeah there's only 50 of those perfect. So there you go you're proud of it i probably come out i'm very proud yeah. And there's one picture i just wanted yeah yeah one little special my the most memorable day of my photograph photographic career was in 1992 when i had the privilege pleasure whatever it was of spending a day with sevi. And pedrania wow where we did instruction pictures in the morning. And then.

At lunch time we're having a very nice lunch because we've managed to do all the pictures in the morning. And it was finished early. And he was very happy boy. And uh i said savvy you know it's one thing i'd love to do is i'd love to see where you started in golf balls which was on the beach with a three iron. And pebbles his famous flop shots from the but from the beach yeah basically he learned to put on the on the sand soma beach which is very close to pedrania. And he said do you want to go david i said sure yes let's go let's go please two minutes later he was coming out the kitchen with an empty stoot can with the with the lid taken off oh my dad yeah. And a napkin so come on we go into his car down to the beach and he starts cutting this hole with his soup can. And it's um you know says how do i put it upside down bang it down pull it out a bit like a sand castle a reverse yeah yeah. And and then.

He said uh he said i just got behind the stick. So he went off and found a stick on the side of the beach put the stick in tied the napkin to the top this is how i learned to putt. For augusta oh my days yeah well it's just you. And him on the people yeah. And the editor from golf world how full circle has that gun you've gone from playing this guy when he's relatively unknown like that idolizing him doing that and then.

Ten years after his death you know making this book with his family and his children which they'll cherish forever that's awesome and then.

We've also said some swing sequences say hey this practice paul bernie said. And i'm packing up i'm quite jet-lagged because i've only flown in from singapore the day before day and a half before and here i'm going up. But walking back to david where are you going where are you going i said seven donna brilliant no no no no we have to find the balls. So he marches off down the beach and we're trying to fight 36 titles pro and we were one short. And he was still muttering about it yeah sounds like you can go practice when do you envision. And you might not do whether you have a plan. Or whether you want to share it when do you hang up the cameras the lenses yeah when i can't walk that's it you all can't see brilliant yeah. So there's lots more majors to come oh please god yeah that's more radical i i was really really really wanting to do 50 masters in a row you know it would have been such a such a an amazing legacy to leave hopefully i'm going to get to 50 opens in a row because oh yeah oh yeah does it miss one yeah oh you should do that yeah i think you can put a little asterisk next.

To 2019 2020. And 2021. it's definitely got a big asterisk yeah definitely well david it's been an absolute pleasure. And honestly if it wasn't for the fact to look at the thing we could won probably all day it's been a pleasure and honor now we've been rolling for two hours it's been phenomenal um you you like say one of the the names i don't i think one of the most famous of the most famous name in golf photography um the the work you've done the legacy you're going to leave is going to make your family's super proud people in the industry you've set the benchmark. And and i think. For everything you've done here for sevi and his family and everything else is just phenomenal. So david you've been an honor to be on the podcast thanks so much and uh people listening go out and buy the book there's not many copies certainly limited edition ones get your hands on them and david that was an absolute honour thank you. So much both of you though it's really fun cheers.