It is hard. But I would also say the big one you know people listen I would say that always get your wedgies just at least one degree flatter maybe two in your 60. then.

So let's say you're one degree upright in your irons you want to go one degree flat and you're 60. really yeah just go flatter because the heat the heel part of a wedge is the dangerous bit that can kind of dig in. And turn the toe is designed to slide it's the much more friendlier approach. But like you were doing it you're saying that you found a way around it by putting the toe down. For your chipping that's because the toes designed to slide so you'd much rather have a toe down wedge than a toe up wedge.